What's the logic behind perma-banning someone, with absolutely no warning, for something they didn't realize was against the rules? I 100% understand that you don't like him and that's perfectly fine, but we have to be professional here, not personal.
"Pointsgaming" (retarded word for achievement hunting). The bulk of AnonymousOutlast's article edits are extremely inconsequential and insignificant, so FrenchToast called him out on it and Anon admitted he was just doing it for badges. ACHIEVEMENT HUNTING is a shitty thing to do and against the rules, but 1, Anon had no warning and 2, Anon had no idea it was against the rules, which makes a perma-ban invalid.
He was a failure to communicate all together. Yes, that is a banable offense, he openly admitted to spamming the wiki with poor, inconsistent edits (which were often reverted as they were either pure nonsense or bunch of junk) for the sake of achievements. He's also been banned before for sock puppetry on two accounts. He came back after and thought we had no idea it was him, so French decided to give him one more shot. He received countless warnings and notices over the past year. But to top it all off, he frequently argued with other members on discord, was passive aggressive (especially towards FrenchTouch), kept posting morbid imagery and eventually told an admin to slit his veins. I'd say it's more than enough for a perma-ban. The ban even mentions addressing FrenchTouch if there were any further questions.
FrenchTouch could've painted a better idea of the situation in the ban summary. An infinite ban for "APPARENTLY pointsgaming" sounds stupid on paper. I shouldn't have to talk to him personally to understand why Anon was banned, that's the entire point of the ban summary.
In future, please, address admins regarding these bans rather than randomly reverting them without anyone's consent. He's baiting you into an argument even though he's fully aware of the reasons for his ban.
It was rash, yes, but FrenchTouch is still to blame. If Anon was banned for achievement hunting, vandalizing articles, sockpuppeting, disrespecting admins, telling admins to kill themselves, and posting morbid imagery, he should've said so.
I agree, but either way, he'll eventually reply to you regarding this, I'm not gonna speak in his name. Although, from what I understand, that is a bannable offense across multiple wikis and its fairly noticeable when you see he frequently reverted his edits.
Also, telling an admin to kill himself is a minor offense but admitting to achievement hunting is the stick that broke the camel's back? I'm still utterly baffled by FrenchTouch's logic. I know you don't speak for him, I'm just talking out loud.
No, he told this after FrenchTouch informed him that it's a bannable offense, to which he lost it cause he believed that he was gonna be perma-banned. Only then was he banned after starting to insult everyone around him. He came back later asking when will he return, when French refused, he started hassling him again.
1. Anon admits to achievement hunting. 2. French tells him this is bannable. 3. Anon has a hissy fit and starts flaming everyone. 4. French mainly bans him for the hissy fit, but officially cites it as achievement hunting.
Hello, here's a friendly reminder: I did explicitly state in the ban summary which you so apparently seem to despise that to understand the whole situation you would have to contact me and actually talk to me, although not in a way that implies that what I have done is irrational, personal and unprofessional—in reality if I may call anything this way, it's indeed quite the idea of undoing an administrative action without even taking the time to respect it.
As for Erik's ban, he was banned for pointsgaming. I cited it as the ban reason because it is the ban reason. Although his behaviour in general, including but not limited to threats, publicly disregarding consensual decisions and being persistent after being told to stop is by any means an offense that could have been punished a while ago, in virtue of our blocking policy which states everyone only gets one warning, an amount that was far exceeded a long time ago, which we have overlooked, so if anything we've shown mercy in face of his actions—so we've not really ganged up against him, which although in our right on Wikia, is not in our mores. So any criticism of that is plain unwillfullness to understand and an utter lack of good faith; again in our guidelines.
Unfortunately though, he admitted to it privately on Discord, and not on Wikia, so obviously the public element is kind of wrecked here: I do have screenshots but I wouldn't be surprised one would discard this as fake proof, I won't lie to you it is easy for me to make forgeries but then I would equally like to believe that you're willing to trust my word as an administrator though your revert of my action alters my confidence on that. He was hoping to limit the damage by admitting to his practice, but he also didn't show any envy nor any effort to actually stop, in fact he was planning to continue for a long time as he was hunting for a specific luckily-awarded achievement. Although I don't have a specific mention of that saved I have a specific mention of his other objective to get to a certain number of them, which is a clear disregard for the warnings we've issued to him for violating the rules. (the Pointsgaming part, I've added after this issue for clarity by the way)
Finally, before you came to moralize me on what it means to be a professional and assuming my position in the affair, I gave him a last chance to actually try to redeem himself, it probably wouldn't have done much but I still wanted to hear what he would have to say, but he just used this occasion to insult me one last time, which I didn't record either I'll be honest with you, and before you ask—no, I can't do it right now, because after that he deleted every single one of his messages so I wouldn't be able to share the conversation with other administrators. Like you. Y'know, the conversation that incriminates him. So yeah, aside from that one screenshot I have that just says he was pointsgaming and not planning to stop, you have to take my word for it, but if you don't believe me nor Gen, also feel free to inquire Valk's advice on Erik's behaviour or the Discord moderation team's reasons to have agreed to him being banned.
Anyhow, now you can claim that you know what's going on with this matter, and this time, try to not demean my endeavours or to reduce me to simple totalitarianism just because he didn't have an explicit meltdown all over the website, because if you want warnings and proof that he should have been aware of his behaviour, just feel free to look at his message wall which is riddled with those. With all of this said, have a good one and I'll talk to you later.
Addendum: Also thank you for not giving false information to other users on the matter, that would be responsible. Oh and excuse me, I forgot to adress that point, although it's irrelevant, I didn't block him here for his threats and insults because it was on my private messages on Discord and it doesn't concern the wiki, and at the time he believed I was Gen so he was the one the language was aimed at. That doesn't forgive your persistence to blame me and just pile on me and “my logic” while I'm not even there to give you anything.
FrenchTouch wrote: also feel free to inquire Valk's advice on Erik's behaviour
FYI, I had no idea about this whole thing going on behind the scenes with his hostile attitude and whatnot, so I can't necessarily confirm anything about Anon here myself. However, I'm not denying anything at all from what I'm reading here.
That being said, even if him getting permabanned specifically for pointsgaming despite there being clearly plenty of other reasons, that still wouldn't completely excuse them, since if he did in fact use sockpuppets (low blow Anon), that alone would still be enough to warrant a permablock on top of the rest of these incriminating offenses. The permablock is valid from my point of view.
French, I think you're misunderstanding me here. Anon deserves a permaban, and I'm not denying that. I only denied that at first because the only official reason you gave for the permaban was pointsgaming, even though in reality it's an orgy of his inexcusable behavior. My point is that you should've said that in the ban summary, nothing else. I know the summary said to bring it up to you, but I shouldn't have to do that. I'm not trying to demonize you, I'm not trying to discredit you as an admin, I'm just stating the fact that you made a small mistake that led to this situation. It's all cool now.
Except in reality the reason why I banned him is pointsgaming, everything else is more of an aggravating factor. And when I say that one should bring it up to me, it's implied that the situation is more complicated than just that and that I'm willing to show the effort of taking the time to explain it to someone who feels like doing so instead of just taking the "victim's" word for it on Steam. The only mistake here is to have taken a decision against an admin measure after knowing only one side of the argument.
Though all in all, I'm glad that doesn't have to be a situation, but I would appreciate it if in the future—although you should always get to know as much as you can—you could try not to directly discard my own word for it ;)
Sorry about the double message but I think you got confused—his behaviour and meltdowns and whatever are what got him banned on the Discord, we should've probably stressed that, he got banned from there and the wiki at about a couple hours of interval at most.
I acted so rashly because I always noticed how previously you snapped at literally every single thing Anon said on message walls and forums. I assumed that you simply didn't like the guy and was looking for an excuse to finally perma-ban him. Making that assumption was a mistake on my part, I'm just trying to paint how the situation seemed to me at first. I still think your ban summary should've mentioned the additional stuff, even though most of it was from Discord, but it's all settled now.
EDIT: I keep forgetting to say "Sorry for the misunderstanding".
I wouldn't be one to take the decision by myself, but before this is talked through, mind you tell me how such an initiative benefits the wiki and the development of the community? I'm just wondering, I believe it could be nice but I'd like to know what you've managed to work with as of now.
Ah, sorry then. I'm not actually sure who I would talk to about something like this. I just saw that you were an admin, and I figured you had the right to say yes or no.
We just started it up about two nights ago, and we've already got a decent amount of people in it (16 people, not counting myself). We're basically looking to have one place that people could come to talk about Outlast, the lore, parts of the games/comics they liked, share their creations (LetsPlays, art, fanfics, etc.) and what not. I've just seen a couple other Fandom Wikias have a Discord attatched to their Wikia page; plus I thought it would be an easy place for people who come to the Wikia to join a discussion.
Thanks for hearing me out, and have a good night/rest of your day.
No one admin here just takes decisions without discussing it through, it's not about hierarchy, solely a respectful organization ;)
It would be nice if you could leave an invite over here, I figure we want to have a closer look and potentially suggest changes before sharing the link, I can tell from experience that you want to be organized before a community forms—plus it will facilitate discussion between administrators.
And by the way Valk, Gen and I were discussing this prior to my first reply, so he knows.
Don't listen to him, I have the authority to abuse my position for fair use.
On a serious side, how would we go on about implementing it, I was thinking of Discord for a while now, would be more beneficial since more users are familiar with it than some of wiki's social features, like the app and the forums.
Well, all I have to say is “so far so good:” we've discussed the server more in-depth with Gen and I believe it would be a good idea to affiliate both the Discord and the wiki—plus we were looking to do something like that for a while now, so I have a proposition to make—for good measure, what would you think of giving at least one of us administrators some way to moderate on the Discord once we share it? It's not just because of the 'parternership' but also because we're looking to have moderators for our Discussions and I figure that it would be nice to have the same moderators for Discord and wiki Discussions (if you agree to it of course.)
Yeah, I figured it was you, but I didn't wanna just come out an assume. Val is the only one who can really actually do anything. Mal and I are just there to be able to ban, so I'll let Val know when they get back.
How do I rephrase this sentence to fit the quote since it's from her first person:
Jeremy commemorates Glick for her actions and invites her out for a drink. Refusing, Glick casually walks away before stating "I don't eat where I hunt".
Well unless you want to change the person there's no other way I reckon, even if you use the subjunctive to kinda trick through it. And although you technically can remove those, which are undeniably worse for us, it's forbidden so we have to deal with it.
Look Anon, I sincerely hope discussions like this aren't going to become a regular thing. If French doesn't want to add you on Steam, he doesn't want to add you on Steam. It's as simple as that. So please stop pestering French over it.
I've scrapped a few notes I had together and here's a list of some of them regarding the engine and Murkoff's operations. BTW, what kind of exact company is Murkoff? We know they operate in multiple fields, but what's the proper legal term for this? Anyways, let me get on with it:
Have you ever considered how these machines have ever lasting effects on their victims? Women often have thoughts or in some cases psychosomatic pregnancies which are often followed by some kind of internal bleeding, whilst men experience it as some kind of parasite trying to crawl out of their body, mainly the nano machines crawling within their circulatory system and all the conducted therapies that try to make them subconsciously control the nano factories. Manera had a dream about a creature from German folklore that feeds on the milk from women's breasts which was later adopted by doctors at the asylum as one of the pseudonyms to refer to the Walrider. Eddie in particular is a special case: unlike the previous patients, he's the first one to actually have a strong desire to reproduce an offspring, something that wasn't known of him to do before, which he does so with a clearly damaged mind that's interwoven with his childhood trauma, almost as if the experiments had previously gone wrong and exposed him to something he wasn't suppose to experience. Couple that with the doctors constantly noting that he wasn't a desirable candidate for the engine despite Gluskin's claims of lucid dreams.
What kind of interests me is what does Billy do to assimilate all of his dreams towards the Walrider, it implies he's conscious, hence the term lucid, so would this mean his actions were more than emotionally driven or would it imply that he hasn't got a single clue as to what he's done. How is it that he fused with the Walrider, did it latch onto him after Miles had seemingly died or was his figurative soul attached to the faceless being, are there two of them, is Walrider aware of its own existence, etc.
Sorry for the ramble, I hope some of this sort of sparks some ideas.
Funny enough I don't think there's a word for companies that operate in multiple domains—that said, it seems to me that the Morphogenic Engine really just expands on already existing trauma, it is quite interesting that Manera and Gluskin have this sort of maternal thing going on, but if it was something Red Barrels intended, I would've imagined Chris Walker or the Twins or Martin would have more of that too, and I personally don't remember them exhibiting any such traits. That said, the reason why Billy assimilates all of these dreams, if that's not just some easy screenwriting, I would say it might have something to do with Wernicke and the relation between the two? Iunno, mang.
Oh yeah true, I don't know why I said Martin, I think I meant Trager—well fuck it.
WELL WHAT'S A GOOD FUCKING REASON OTHER THAN A SCENARIUM ARMOUR EH
Well seriously speaking, you know how Red Barrels is with information, so I wouldn't mind for us to look back at documents and shit but I honestly don't believe we'll find that one key thing, you know.
Eh, I kinda want to think there's more since the original sparked some interest and imagination, but we've been proven wrong at times. The least I'd like to do is mention how these specific cases revolve around certain individuals and how they've devolved their personas. Would that be good enough for a mention?
Definitely. I need to drag you along for about additional 100 or so hours. The fun's there, somewhere.
After I swapped our old infobox templates with the current portable ones, the "Read More" sections on chapter pages do not display the article's respective thumbnail, but rather show the article's walkthrough videos as they're the only other media on the page. Not all, but this is random and I don't know what's causing it. See here.
Also, can you take a look at this template's headers. If no information is given, like if the character in question doesn't have a voice actor, the headers shouldn't appear, but I don't know what to add for them to be togglable. See this page, the creature doesn't have a voice actor, but despite not being listed, the Voice Actors header still appears, can you check the template's source and tell me what to add for it to not show up? I've tried a bunch, but I believe the code needs to be changed all together. I might have missed something, so I'd like for you to check it out.
Sidenote, check your steam for a quick chat. It's easier to get a hold of you that way.
Maybe it's somewhere in the next twenty paid contracts, I'm sure of it!
Oh yeah, I can see it, I looked at Outlast II's chapters, that was my issue. So there's a chance that it might be because Wikia now privileges video content over images, 'cause as you know, we've got to have... Moneeeeeey.
Well you would have to add an #if tag to the header, so that whenever something is added that belongs in that section—it shows up. I'm not sure how you can do this with multiple parameters because I'm clueless when it comes to #if but that's where it's at.
I've opened it for the first time in probably the entire year, dude.
You serious? how can that affect it, a bit of bullshit right there (on the wikia's part), also, it's not for every article, some have clear thumbnails, any ideas or should I just go and bitch to the staff?
Ye, that's my prob, did that, didn't work, was hoping you held the answers to the world's secrets.
Well, videos are great for ad placement, so when it comes to that you can be sure that it's gonna be prioritized over our content. But if some articles that have videos don't have this problem then yes you should bitch about it.
Weeeeeell shit. I generally leave my templates' headers that way too, to be honest, so I can't help there, sorry man.
That's pretty much where I'm at a loss, I thought you might find a way around it :P Either that, or to consider creating a split category (I forget what this section is called, but basically, you create a split section for left and right and list galleries and dialogues, if they're not listed, then they don't appear, but they're not as neat as these).
Oke, just wondering if the guy with the vocabulary has something more fancy ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
How do you suppose we extract the documents for the wiki since Blake is actually holding them, meaning that we can't crop them? Sidenote, they're present images that are used for the invenotry section that can serve as placeholders, which one user's already doing, but do you have any idea as to where they might be located within the files? I'm having trouble finding them.
NewGenTV wrote: they're present images that are used for the invenotry section that can serve as placeholders, which one user's already doing, but do you have any idea as to where they might be located within the files? I'm having trouble finding them.
My Documents > My Games > Outlast2 > OLGame > SaveData > Recordings
You can kind of piece together why the Scalled killed both Laird and Nick. Firstly, pay attention to Laird in general (his behaviour, dialogue, actions etc.): he really does treat his followers like shit, like beating them, verbally abusing them and more importantly, he kills members of the Scalled if they even dare question his faith in the slightest (see the part where he shoots down a follower just because he was unsure about the locust swarm).
This document even states that Laird killed one of his followers just becaue he accidentally spilled wine, and take note of how the follower who wrote the note calls Laird a "tyrant". Furthermore, another document essentially confirms that quite a few of Laird's followers despise him. If you add all of this evidence up, then you can see their reasoning behind killing Laird and Nick.